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15 May 2010 @ 05:01 pm
Help with knitting a double layer hat  
Okay, sorry, beginner knitter here! Background: my knitting experience consists of a single 7-foot-long striped scarf, and I don't plan on taking up knitting as a hobby (I'm just knitting things for people, and then putting the needles down till the next time I want to knit something for someone again, say maybe in a year's time).

I'm planning to make a double-layer hat, and I've bought two balls of yarn, and a set of single-ended needles, which is really stupid but I didn't realise it at that time.

I have a handful of questions regarding this project:
1) should I get circular needles or double-pointed needles? Some instructions I looked at on Ravelry said that I should use both double-pointed and circular, but because it's not a long-term investment, at least for now, I don't want to get both types of needles. Do I need many double-pointed needles though?

2) I was thinking of modifying a single-layer pattern (http://www.lionbrand.com/patterns/kwetq-hatScarf.html?r=1) by flipping it so it becomes a double-layer hat, but I'm not sure if it's suitable for the pattern/someone of my skill level.

3) Plus, if I were to flip the pattern, I'd have to knit from the ribbing up one side, then turn it around to knit from the other side, right? Instead of knitting from end to end? I've never seen the reverse of p2tog/k2tog, but I guess there isn't any harm asking!

Sorry for the long post!
 
 
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rotkeppchen: zelos heyrotkeppchen on May 15th, 2010 10:40 am (UTC)
I tend to interpret patterns quite wrongly, so I won't even attempt answering questions 2 or 3 (for your sake, trust me!).

If you only want to buy one kind of needle, I'd say you should go for the double-pointed ones. They're slightly fiddlier to use, but more versatile and convienient when reducing the amount of stitches. They're normally sold in sets of five.
Aquarius Galuxyaquarius_galuxy on May 15th, 2010 11:29 am (UTC)
I must admit that I tend to interpret patterns (or at least, their wording) wrongly too! =p

Thanks for your input!
McNulty's Missusmoxielegal on May 15th, 2010 11:14 am (UTC)
Single pointed needles are fine if your pattern includes a seam. Double-pointed ideal for seamless knitting.

You can never go wrong with a set of double pointed needles, as they come in handy for lots more things like cables and other shaping/holding of stiches (using single pointed needles), so long as you have needle cap ends as well.

If you only intend to do a hat, don't buy double-points that are too long as they can be too wieldy to hold - the minimum length (about 4/5 inches, depending on your confidence) should suffice and you will need at least 4 for any circular project, from what you say about your experience - in UK they are generally sold in sets of 4.

Cannot answer question 2, but question 3 - p2/k2 will look exactly the same from either side, just a question of whether you start with p2 or k2 as your right side.
Aquarius Galuxyaquarius_galuxy on May 15th, 2010 11:59 am (UTC)
The pattern doesn't include seams, so I guess I'll stick to double-pointed needles.

question 3 was actually about whether a purl stitch can become two purl stitches instead of two becoming one, but I guess I phrased my question wrongly!

"p2/k2 will look exactly the same from either side, just a question of whether you start with p2 or k2 as your right side" -> does "either side" mean left/right, or front back? =o

Thanks for answering!
hobbitbabehobbitbabe on May 15th, 2010 12:11 pm (UTC)
Yes, you can increase purlways as well as knitways. One way of doing it is purling through the back of the loop and then the front of the loop before dropping the stitch off the left needle. I made a couple of double-layer hats this way last winter - they looked sort of like rugby balls, and then half got turned inside out.
Aquarius Galuxyaquarius_galuxy on May 15th, 2010 01:30 pm (UTC)
Okay, thanks for that info!
The Duchess of Tealthe_duchess_os on May 17th, 2010 08:52 pm (UTC)
There is a technique called "The Magic Loop" wherein you use one very long circular needle instead of double pointed ones. I like it.

I tried double points but I had a real problem keeping things straight. I had heard that double points were the only way to do small diameter items, but The Magic Loop takes care of that too.

If you want to check it out, try finding this book: http://www.theknitter.com/malote.html. It's the one I got and it is very good.
Aquarius Galuxyaquarius_galuxy on May 19th, 2010 04:46 pm (UTC)
I'm using double pointed needles, and they're working pretty well for me!

Thanks for the tips! =D